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PostSubject: Lucy Liu (China)   Thu 6 Jul - 9:03

can i start a topic about Lucy Liu ?



Liu began acting in 1989 after auditioning for a role in University of Michigan's production of "Alice in Wonderland" during her senior year. Liu won the lead role although she tried out for a supporting role.

Liu had small roles in films and TV roles (for example in X-Files), Sex and the City before landing a break on Ally McBeal. Liu's role on the series was originally not meant to be regular but the enthusiastic audience response to the actress' 'feisty' Ling Woo secured Lucy as a permanent cast member.

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Thu 6 Jul - 9:30

Good Morning xkoreanenergy,
I will be brief because it is nearly 3:30 am here. I have tons of information on Lucy Liu because of the need to research her for my book. I have tried to write within the boundaries of what I believe she is capable of actually portraying. During my research for information I found out that she is a pretty powerful lightning rod of conversation within the Asian and especially Asian American community.

I will post more later.
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Thu 6 Jul - 10:30

xkoreanenergy wrote:
can i start a topic about Lucy Liu ?

of course you can start a topic dedicated to Lucy Liu. she have a few Hot kisses in bank if I remember well.

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PostSubject: Lucy Liu   Thu 6 Jul - 17:59

I am hoping that my book is published and ultimately gets turned into a movie so that she can finally portray a character that has range, depth and finally shows transition from one point-to-another-to-another. I have looked over a lot of her movies and I was surprised at how much many of her roles aside from Charlie's Angels are different versions of the Dragon Lady/Man-eating Ling Woo role from Ally McBeal.

I think, personally, that she has yet to really get a chance to show the world her true acting talents. Her best role in my opinion was in Shanghi Noon as Princess Pei Pei. She actually comes across as a warm woman who is simply trying to find happiness and gets tangled up in things beyond her control.
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Thu 6 Jul - 23:23

geesehoward4life wrote:
I am hoping that my book is published and ultimately gets turned into a movie so that she can finally portray a character that has range, depth and finally shows transition from one point-to-another-to-another. I have looked over a lot of her movies and I was surprised at how much many of her roles aside from Charlie's Angels are different versions of the Dragon Lady/Man-eating Ling Woo role from Ally McBeal.

I think, personally, that she has yet to really get a chance to show the world her true acting talents. Her best role in my opinion was in Shanghi Noon as Princess Pei Pei. She actually comes across as a warm woman who is simply trying to find happiness and gets tangled up in things beyond her control.




i don't like her role as Princess Pei Pei.... her best role is, no doubt for me, Ling Woo in Ally McBeal... she was one of the reason that i followed the show.... tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Fri 7 Jul - 8:18


i have seen her in ally mcbeal also too Cool

i have fing this inside one blog :


Ally And Ling..
I enjoyed Ally McBeal pretty much when it was still airing. But I didn't watch every episode faithfully, only as and when I was able to catch it. And this episode that had Ling (played by Lucy Liu) dreaming about kissing Ally (Calista Flockhart) was definitely one of the more memorable episodes for me.

http://les-personified.blogspot.com/2006/05/ally-and-ling.html

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she have beautiful eyes !

In 2002, the actress also gained notice for her small, but impressive role as Kitty Baxter in the Oscar-winning film Chicago (2002). Liu won her second Screen Actors Guild and a Broadcast Film Critics Association award for her performance in the film. In the year 2003, she continued attracting the attention of the public when she was cast as the deadly O-Ren Ishii in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003, starring Uma Thurman), in which she was honored with a MTV Movie award for Best Villain in 2004.

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PostSubject: ling woo   Fri 7 Jul - 11:25

i don't like when the producers need to shock (like their kiss) to do their show more interesting... i didn't watch Ally Mc Beal until the end, coz few actors from the original cast were not here... but when Ling Woo was here, it was funny... Razz


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PostSubject: Curses   Fri 7 Jul - 12:38

I had a very indepth post that I just put together concerning Lucy Liu that is based off of the information that I have collected over the last few years, but when I went to post it the page could not be displayed properly and the post was lost, ouch.

So, because of that I will just give a short version for a complicated issue and Actress.

#1) Lucy Liu is either loved to death by the Asian and Asian American community or hated with a passion
#2) Her roles are often all the same and this I know from actually sitting and renting ALL of her movies. The only MOVIE that I have NOT seen her in is 3 Needles which was a Canadian Film in which she plays a Chinese woman who is collecting blood samples but finds out that her husband is actually testing and spreading the AIDS virus. These are the synopsis that I have found on line and IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes as well as critic's who have seen this movie. I have tracked down bits and pieces and seen a few clips, but nothing more. The movie Chicago was a bit part and I have not seen this movie.

With that said to prove what I am talking about I have tracked down EVERY OTHER PIECE of movie listed IMDB Filmography including the movie Flypaper, which was GOD AWFUL and she speaks in broken English with memorable lines like "I ain't no duck" because she is a Chemistry student working with a guy making drugs and these two other losers were talking before they come in and kill her partner, one guy (Mexican) was talking about how his got so horny that he had sex with a duck. So after they catch Liu the White guy tells the Mexican guy (notice I cannot even remember these characters names) that Liu could be your duck since you are "backed up."

This is just one example where the centerpiece of Liu's character is more of a caricature then an actual role. For me, this was early in her career so it was understandle, I will not get into her rolling around in that movie with a pit of snakes will being bitter... it's a weird scene and a long story and of course she shows her goods and that is pretty much the path that she has been stuck on since in one way or another.

In Payback she is a sex object and is ultimately punched out by Mel Gibson.

In Play it to the Bone, she is a junkie-tart and she's a whore. She has sex behind a gas station with Woody Harrelson in one of the most repulsive, but totally non-believable scenes that I have ever seen. Mind you her character was met by Harrelson and Banderes while they were enroute to Vegas and being driven by a White actress that I cannot name. Needless to say after F'n Harrelson behind the gas station, where I felt scummy just to watch that scene she eventually is punched out by the White actress and runs off with some trucker and is later seen at the fight picking someone's pocket.

The bottom line is this. Her role as Ling Woo was one where I could only stand three episodes of seeing her and I was not a big fan of the show to begin with because it was not about anything in particular and nothing important. But when she said you only have control of a man when you're hand is on his/the dipstick I had heard and seen enough of the Asian Whore who supposedly could survive in Law Firm talking and acting like a total slut and useless wench and yes I was that turned off by it, because of course when I went to work after those three episodes all that the guys at work wanted to talk about was how HOT she was and the fact that they wanted to F her, but when I asked "What do you think of what she's supposed to represent on that series?"

No one lied regardless of whatever their race was they all said the same thing "She's just a f-doll and she's there to shock and when she gets old then her career will be over."

Lucky Number Slevin was a huge flop and watching her throw herself at a loser like the king of failed movies Josh "Uni-brow" Hartnett was beneath her. She is a stereotyped role player who has generated enough animosity within the US by Asian American's that some have called her out and others have called her a self-hater who wishes she was a White woman. I'll post all the pro's and con's and whatever else another time, because I think I've probably been booted out again... so this time I'll save this post with a copy and then log back in and paste.
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PostSubject: Lucy Liu   Fri 7 Jul - 12:51

geesehoward4life wrote:

#1) Lucy Liu is either loved to death by the Asian and Asian American community or hated with a passion
#2) Her roles are often all the same and this I know from actually sitting and renting ALL of her movies.


i didn't know she was loved to death by Asian and Asian American... yes, she's Chinese but i consider her more American than Asian... do you like all her movies?
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Fri 7 Jul - 14:17

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i didn't know she was loved to death by Asian and Asian American... yes, she's Chinese but i consider her more American than Asian... do you like all her movies?


As far as me, NO. I don't like MOST of her movies, she doesn't REALLY get to do anything except to re-hash some spin-off of Ling Woo and she keeps taking these roles so I can't look at Hollywood or Whites, Blacks, Asians, or anybody else when someone keeps making the same poor choices.

I liked her in Shanghi Noon, I did like her in Payback till I saw her get PUNCHED OUT, which was not cool. Ironically Charlie's Angels are the only ones where she got to have any kind of PULSE and just enjoy what she was doing. It made her a person although it was a campy fluff piece. Kill Bill Volume One was too close to the whirlwind of issues that actually surround Lucy Liu in real life and I PERSONALLY did not believe that Tarantino did her any favors by giving her a role that was yet another of her Ice Queen/Children of Ling Woo roles, but then DID NOT ALLOW HER to REALLY SHOW US how a woman like O-Ren is still tormented by the early events of her childhood. I'll post her Kill Bill Interviews which I found... very conflicting because she says that O-Ren is tortured by the loss of her parents and she seeks revenge and then gets STUCK in that, BUT WHEN is there ANY RESPONSIBILITY on O-Ren's part that she ALLIES with the KILLER OF HER FATHER and then begins KILLING OTHERS FOR MONEY!

It is this kind of bizarre pandering and fence-sitting on Liu's part that annoys not just the Asian and Asian American community, she received threats for playing O-Ren and YES I have that article as well, but also non-Asian's like myself that simply wonder how long does she believe that she can keep making excuses for the lackluster scraps that she is getting and then posting in interviews where she calls herself a "Woman of Color" one minute and that it's OHHHH SOOOOO HARD for her to get good roles, but then when she is called upon to take a stand then it's and I am paraphrasing here, but I have the exact quote "Well I live for me and I don't represent the Asian American Community cause then you get outside yourself and I'm just a person trying to live."

Well if that's the case... then STOP WHINING ABOUT IT! To me Tarantino's O-Ren is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TOO CLOSE TO LUCY LIU. She is EXTREMELY SENSITIVE in real life about her ethnicity and race and has thrown O-Ren type hissy fits when called on the carpet about her demeanor, but she's a bit of a wuss when put on the spot about her words and actions.


Here is a Press Interview with Lucy Liu regarding Lucky Number Slevin, which I did not like at ALL. To me, Lucy Liu should be playing the roles of a dignified woman who can carry her own weight, but knows how to treat a man without having to be his mother, Lucky Number Slevin has her looking like a Desperate Housewife the Asian American Edition where she sleeps with Hartnett after barely knowing him and shows she's so backed up and in need of sex that it's once again too close to what I have actually found out about things she has FOOLISHLY released to the Press, I'll post those later, I was REALLY SHOCKED that she put out some of the personal information that she has when she is constantly claiming she is a very Private person;

FROM THE NEWS ARCHIVES OF CINEMA CONFIDENTIAL
INTERVIEW: Lucy Liu on "Lucky Number Slevin"
POSTED ON 04/06/06 AT 10:00 A.M.
BY ETHAN AAMES

By Jenny Halper in New York City
Lucy Liu might be best known for, well, less than friendly roles (“Kill Bill,” “Ally McBeal”), but she breaks the ice-queen barrier in “Lucky Number Slevin.” The actress stars alongside Ben Kingsley, Morgan Freedman, and Josh Hartnett, playing Lindsey, Hartnett’s plucky next door neighbor and love interest.
Last week, Liu took time to talk to press about community pressure, working for Unicef, and her latest film.

Q: Are you at all like Lindsey?
LUCY: There’s a molecule in your body of whoever you play. She is someone who talks quickly and is energetic, that’s the way her mind thinks. And she’s also very smart, she’s a coroner and she sees people come in and she’s got to figure out how they die, she’s got to break down, figure out what’s happened to them, what was their cause of death. That’s just how she is, she’s programmed that way. She’s very much a free spirit.

Q: Ben Kingsley said he loved your style.
LUCY: I paid him a lot of money to say that. A lot more than the movie did. And I think his rhythm is really dynamic too. He has his own music, his own punctuation, and I think we both have a very dry sense of humor. I always like to bring a sense of lightness to a character even if she’s not meant to have that.

Q: He (Kingsley) said you should play Cleopatra…you had to say the most words without taking a breath.
LUCY: That’s how I got the part. They put me under water and saw how long I could last. First of all, in the script originally, she did not have that many words. She sort of came in and did her thing and then left. But as people started coming on Jason (Smilovic) started writing for all the different actors. And when we were about to start shooting, I read the script, and it was completely different, the role is monologues of things that she’s talking about which don’t even mean anything. And the dialogue is word for word. It’s not improvised. So the way that Jason thinks is pretty amazing. She has a rhythm to her language that I really enjoyed.

Q: Was the sex scene fun or nerve-wracking?
LUCY: It was great. We were both really relaxed, we really had great chemistry together, we both like each other a great deal…it seems so intimate onscreen, but you’re surrounded by a hundred people, so it didn’t feel at the time, till you see it onscreen, that it was so intimate. We were having fun, we were playing a game in bed.

Q: Had you met Josh before?
LUCY: No. We met in December, and we read the script together and then Paul showed us an idea of what the set was going to look like, he wanted us to know so we could use the space, there were a lot of entrances, exits, etc. And the next time I saw him we were shooting.

Q: With “Kill Bill” and “Ally McBeal,” did you feel like you were typecast in villainous roles?
LUCY: Everyone thinks that, but I don’t feel that way. I never felt like the roles I was playing were villainous. If you think about her past, her parents were killed, she had no choice but to seek revenge, and once you’re in that position you have to continue being in that position. But she was never gonna die peacefully. She was going to be murdered. So to me, that was her fate. And she was a survivor, she had to continue that journey. So I always see the characters as very heartfelt, even if people might perceive them as more villainous. Somebody just asked me what was the most pivotal thing in my career, and I said “Ally McBeal.”

Q: I read that you didn’t always want to act.
LUCY: I thought about it for a long, long time but it wasn’t really feasible. Because it was more about education, that was the only way to get anywhere in this life- for my parents, basically. But they also came over to America for school, it makes sense, my family is very much into an education, my sister and my brother.

Q: How do your parents feel about it now?
LUCY: I think my parents are happier now about it. They’re accepting now of it. It’s a little easier for them to now worry about me and what’s going to happen to me. Originally I was like, why don’t you support whatever I want to do, if I wanted to like sell beef on the street, why wouldn’t you want to support me? But it’s not about that. I think they worry about what’s going to happen when they’re not around. Parents never stop being parents I don’t think. And you want them to be your friends at a certain age and it’s not going to happen.

Q: They must be proud of the Ambassador work you’ve done for Unicef.
LUCY: They’re the most proud of that Unicef work. My mother is very much into charity, she’s always volunteering- she works full time as well- but she volunteers all of her spare time, and I think that’s the most impressed that she is. Which tells you a lot about her character. It’s something I always wanted to do, I always wanted to work with children. So that has been the most beneficial to my life. Even if I wasn’t working in this industry, I would be involved in that at some point.

Q: Were you nervous about going overseas?
LUCY: No. You go to Pakistan, you fly through Baghdad, you go to Africa. I don’t really think about what could be. If you think too much about it you end up not doing anything at all. And if I step off a curb and get hit by a car, I have no regrets. I don’t look back and go, “I shouldn’t have done that.”

Q: In terms of your career, when did your parents relax?
LUCY: I don’t know. It might have been by the sequel of “Charlie’s Angels.” Who knows if they feel relaxed about it now. They’re like, “are you working?” I’m like “No.” I mean, you just don’t know. You’ll work three movies in a year and then you won’t work. To me it’s not – I don’t go around spending my money like water. I think they know that as well, but are still concerned. But for them, you have to be working every single way. Otherwise you don’t really have a job.

Q: When choosing roles, do you have to be sensitive to the Asian American community?
LUCY: I think that I chose roles for myself. If I start thinking outside of myself and trying to choose roles for other people and fulfill what they would like in their specific individual lives, I think you get lost. You can do that for a certain amount of time, and ten years down the line you’ll look at yourself and you won’t even know who you are. You’ve made choices for everyone else. And if you’ve made choices, you should take responsibility for those choices. If other people encourage you to do something, like the Asian American community writes me a letter and says “you really should do this role,” and I do it, it either succeeds or it flops, it doesn’t matter. If I don’t feel connected to it, it’s going to show.

Q: So you never feel pressured?
LUCY: Nobody’s thrown any chopsticks at me recently. There’s always something to criticize. People do that as well, build you up to tear you down. So I don’t read any magazines, I have no subscriptions; I don’t channel that energy because I think it’s just a ton of animosity. And if you look at magazines as well it gets confusing. Who doesn’t want to look fabulous? But I’m not going to put my house on display anytime soon. I’m not going to be posing on my couch. There’s a certain amount of privacy I like to hold on to.
“Lucky Number Slevin” opens on April 7th.
FROM THE NEWS ARCHIVES OF CINEMA CONFIDENTIAL

Geese Note; Her claim that no one has thrown chopsticks at her is a flat out lie and that is why she gets herself into trouble. She says one thing and then does something where I am left to say why did she say that. I will post proof of this;

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Also see:
LUCY LIU
QUENTIN TARANTINO
KILL BILL
CHICAGO


Actress LUCY LIU is outraged at suggestions she's betrayed her Chinese roots by playing a Japanese martial arts stunner for QUENTIN TARANTINO's new flick KILL BILL
The movie beauty was stunned by the ethical prejudices she has come against by portraying a Japanese women, and insists it's "insane" to be criticised over a fictional movie role.
The pretty CHICAGO star fumes, "It's insane. Obviously I can't play a WASP girl or a Catholic or an Italian. And now I'm being criticised by some inside and outside the Asian community for putting on a kimono and playing a Japanese woman.
"Am I only supposed to play Chinese-American women? Absolutely not. So I just tell myself to keep moving forward and not be held back by those kinds of attitudes."
Irate Lucy adds, "I'm an actress, this is the way I look, so do you think I can handle the role or not? That's what matters."
30/06/2003 17:29

That was only one article and this post is long enough already. I will say this much and hope that people read all of this, including what I am now typing. By no means do I dislike Lucy Liu. I have read many articles and interviews that she has done and given her personal story. I am simply deeply concerned that she has become something that she cannot get away from or deal with and early on in her life she has already admitted that she had a very tough time fitting in and competing with her White female classmates.

I personally think that although she does have a degree in Asian Culture and knows Mandarin and her parents were born in China and came to America she reminds me of some of the Black kids that I went to school with who felt inferior to Whites because of Black history not just in America but worldwide, including the continous poor state of Africa as a whole right as I type.

Lucy Liu has often lamented about how she just wants to be an actress, but there is no one that started off telling her she had to be an Asian American Actress, she found that out when she started interacted with Whites here in America. I may still have some of the interviews were she constantly harped on how hard it is/was for her to get roles, but she is constantly backtracking almost immediately and I have seen that kind of behavior before and it is done out of fear.

Fear of being alienated, fear of not being able to find work and a desire to just be able to live life. Having made the exact opposite in choices that she has and I am of course a common person, ye ole peon, I have however seen that by making a stand I have been able to garner the respect of even those who I have fought with sometimes rightfully so and other times on mistakes that I have made.

In my opinion and experience, the way that Lucy Liu has decided to approach the challenges of Hollywood and Race she has painted herself into a corner and she will never be able to get the amount of respect that say an Angela Bassett, Sandra Oh, Denzel Washington, Ang Lee or Spike Lee (fun fact, Ang Lee and Spike Lee went to school together and have worked on each others early projects). These men and women have made the choice that they would rather go the long way, do without or handle the criticisms and complaints, fair or not, deserved or not, instead of trying to talk one minute about how unfair things are, while refusing to take a stand.

I personally believe that Lucy Liu truly is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the roles that she plays and is a very shy person and warm person who has gotten herself tangled up into something that she cannot get out of much like O-Ren, but at some point AND some time... she has to accept that she is just as responsible for this as well.

With that in mind I took my feelings on this matter and focused them into honestly looking at what I was writing regarding O-Ren and what Tarantino shows us in Volume One and, AND what he shows us in Volume Two as Bill CASUALLY DISMISSES O-REN'S DEATH AS WELL AS VERNITA'S.
I understood when I finished Volume One what O-Ren was there for and the similarities of the O-Ren character and Lucy Liu, to me, were too close to the point of frightening. I took my empathy for Lucy Liu's situation, which I am sure she would say does not exist, but I took that and put my hopes for her to actually move beyond all of this into writing what I believe should have been in the movie in the first place and finally gives her the chance to do what she has always wanted and that's simply just to act.

Sorry for the length of the post.
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Sat 8 Jul - 13:30

Here is one of my many pics.

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Thu 13 Jul - 23:51


her new movie..... Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Fri 21 Jul - 18:49

Bonsoir,

Nous avons replacé le topic dédié à Lucy Liu dans le sous-forum actrices à la demande de Sushimi. Je ne sais pas pourquoi elle n'y était pas depuis le début. Lucy a sa place entière ici.

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Mon 24 Jul - 22:31

Whew,
Okay I haven't been back to Lucy in a while and she is currently filming in New York City in a movie called Watching the Detectives. We have had some interesting conversations on IMDB about her, but since I have been really trying to finish my work I have kept it to whenever I have time. I'll be brief. I hope that my work can actually give her the chance to actually show some range and depth. I don't know if my book will even get published or put on the shelf and then beyond that is beyond me, but if it should make it to the shelf and do well and Tarantino decide to make it into a movie, Lucy Liu will be called upon to do a lot of what she rarely does now and I honestly think that she could pull it off.

Especially with the amount of material that the O-Ren character had and was not allowed to brought to the forefront. It would be amazing to see her portray a character that has to face down her own decisions and inner demons and actually come out on top in the end.







I do a lot of bitching and moaning about Lucy Liu because to me she sometimes makes decisions that make her out to be her own worst enemy, but I would really like to see her succeed and be happy. One on-line person thought I was her dad or something
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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Mon 11 Sep - 20:31

Lucy passe ce soir sur France 2 en première partie de soirée dans le film US Charlie's angels (2003).

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Mon 11 Sep - 23:41

kawaii-hime wrote:
Lucy passe ce soir sur France 2 en première partie de soirée dans le film US Charlie's angels (2003).

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PostSubject: Re: Lucy Liu (China)   Tue 12 Sep - 8:08

Nice to see you back on our board Geesehoward4life,

Yesterday Charlie's angels was on a regular TV channel here, a good occasion to see Lucy in a funny movie. Well, channel programmations are chaotic down here as there was at the same time Tomb raider with Angelina Jolie. That's life.

Just a short off-topic question, is Pineapplesoda from the CK fandom board an asian girl ?

Have a nice day,

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