Lolicon or not lolicon

Hello YaoiMastah,

Well, I have those too, but in a much better quality..

And for all those who think Japan is a dirty nation exploiting kids.. Then realise that we have MTV who brings us kids who dance like this Suspect

I'm sorry, but where on that video did it say that it was from MTV? I'm well aware that MTV has spawned a lot of problems in Japan, but an underage girl gyrating around on an uploaded video entitled sis, clearly with no parents anywhere near by, has nothing to do with what you said. Now if you like to watch underage girls gyrate around to Reggae, Sean Paul, and all of that, then say that and then deal from there. But don't hide behind someone or somewhere else because of your own likes, fetishes or fantasies and the fact that they are unpopular. It makes you look like you have something to hide.

Also, I don't have an account with wherever this uploading site is, it appears to be Google Upload. I have youtube, and on there they give you the ability to REPORT questionable videos, etc. This place seems to be a haven for someone who may be looking for kiddie porn or things related to such a thing. You already posted early that you have a lolicon fetish, this isn't my site, so that's on Best Chemistry, Kawii-hime and Fumi. But don't try to pass off a little girl and her clearly older sister, uploading a video to whatever site that is, where if their parents found out her little ass would be gyrating around like that from having the belt put to it! Especially since you conveniently found this vid and linked it, but it was uploaded in 10-12-06... So how exactly did you find such an old video when it is now 2-14-08? Don't bother, it was because you were clearly surfing for "cute little girls" gyrating around and shaking their butts, WITHOUT, their parents permission or knowledge.

One last thing, just to give you some history on Reggae music. What you saw is Jamaican in origin, clearly being done by a White little girl somewhere out in White American suburbia, from what I can tell of the background of the house. In the country that Reggae originates in, the Jamaican people there are extremely protective of not only each other, but their culture and way of life. Reggae music is actually far more popular than I thought in Japan, especially among certain clubbers, and I have found funny East Asian sites of East Asian women trying to dance to it, but lacking the hips, thighs, and ass of the people who created it, they sometimes look silly. But I give them credit for trying it and those who become good at it, are great dancers.

However? In Jamaica they take rape, child molesters and child pornographers extremely serious, especially sense their way of dance has at times been twisted up by perverts and pedos who would visit their country and think it was some sort of haven for them to "get their freak on". In Jamaica, they kill grown men who rape or molest children, especially those who clearly prey on little girls and attempt to use the lame excuse that it was because of the way that she danced. So that's just to let you know the history behind the people who brought the world Reggae music and Reggae dance. They are deeply spiritual and have even actively pushed to ban gays and lesbians from Jamaica because of their belief in the bible, which caused England to intercede in 2004/2005. They do not tolerate pedophiles and they do not tolerate those who try to manipulate their cultural expressions for their own misguided deeds and actions, just to let you know...

Hello,

I do think I'm not a relevant person to sort from a bunch of videos what can be lolicon and what is not lolicon at all. despite the fact that I also do think that primary producers of lolicon material are teens themself and only a small proportion is produced by adults. most case are coincidence and should be mesured piece per piece.

I have spent long time having some online activity on a huge french tchitchat, especially in a lez corner (wich looks mostly like a stinky junkyard, you may easily imagine this). at this time rules where about hunting, denonciating and burning (banning) every lolicon freaker (I write again this is not the word, but I still refuse to write it here on KnT). I've not been in the staff of this world, I've never attempt to be really but I've made strong efforts to fullfil the ignorance of the administrative team, who were dizzy glimps of "mister clean" mixed with pathological missunderstanding they hosted the true threaths online. in other word they were somewhat targeting a wrong spot. this said, that's why I have a mesured understanding of the problem, having been immerged for many times.

the video posted by Yaoimastah is close conform to material who was in circulation, it's rather a clean comparing some dialogues I've read and some pictures I've indirectly (accidentaly) seen involving early teens. once can say it's a lolicon video because girl is a teen, she's dancing somewhat provocative and there is no legal adult here to direct or supervise the scenerie, thus believe an adult have not been concerted to his diffusion too. we're in the first case of primary producer as I wrote earlier. this teen didn't think her video could be recycled in underground HD, she only wanted to show how she dances : in-no-cense.

how some people hijack primary produced material is infinite, but the original teen performer cannot be charged for eventual hijacking. internet is now in each house and in each house you have some teens doing some teens stuff.

from all my collection, I have pieces and bits of every kind of japanese entertainment videos, hundred of funny stuff, cute and adorable stuff... and some funny-odd stuff too, like two of Aya Matsuura's wardrobe problems. more deeper, I think the worst I have should be a video I think could be a Enjo kosai video, this is not entertainment but I keep it in a safe place if one day people willing to speak a bit more on the subject with us. I need to add that this video involve a 18 year old girl and she's not suggering being younger. all this to say that I have nothing japanese lolicon because I've found nothing. the erokawa show featuring Koda Kumi is plain japanese entertainment for me. that's why I do al my possible to reach a decent version of this show, it will be easier for us to discuss what is or not japanese lolicon.

Mana (is a man) and a tiny child
lolicon or not ?

Koda having some kisses
lolicon or no ?

now look at this spoiler picture of Koda and rewatch Koda having kisses.

Spoiler:

lolicon or not ?

I've just hijacked the material and artificially assign it to another world...

sweetdream

Hello Best Chemistry,

I did my best to follow and understand what you wrote, but I could not fully understand it, so my guess is that you are trying to determine, whether or not someone is actually playing off of Youth Fetish. That is my guess. The video that Yaoi uploaded and then stated had to do with MTV and in an indirect way, America, importing little kids dancing provocatively. Let us cut straight to the chase. Japan has always been a culture dominated by youth and especially men's obsession with young girls. This was actually standard practice everywhere, at one point or another, with various reasons but almost all of it was about child-rearing, marriage, and in too many cases, older men, getting involved with or marrying, young girls, so that they could shape and mold them into the wife/woman, that they wanted.

As every people and place on this planet began to grow and move forward, and especially as women began to gain more and more rights under the law, then you began to see many places and people, gradually move away from marriages to young girls. However, some places have not moved forward and no matter how people wish to spin it, you will find that many of those places where marrying young girls is acceptable, and I mean marriage to men where the girl is 16 at best and the man is 30's and up! In many of these places, women do not have freedom of expression. Equal protections under the law, or the culture/society itself, is used to try to keep women barefoot and pregnant from an early age!

This is not just in Japan. You can find this in parts of Africa, parts of Europe, the Middle East, etc. But in this instance we are talking about Japan and the problem comes from the fact that it is blatant and rampant, while the image that is broadcast to the world, is one where this kind of situation is not tolerated or is being cracked down on, when it is not.

Even Kumi Koda's disrespectful remarks in your other thread, ties into this one. Kumi messed up because she took what is actually said and shown, day-in and day-out. It is expected that a Japanese woman is to be married by no later than 25, while she has just become an adult at the age of 20! So she has 5 whole years to somehow find, Mister Right!?!? If she does not marry and then in getting married, she MUST HAVE KIDS! She must give up whatever hopes or aspirations she had, and it is not possible for her to be able to be a good mother and still maintain some sort of working career, even though the society itself is extremely expensive to live in and many wives have to do some sort of part-time job to help with the households.

The women who do not marry and have kids, have been bashed by every manner of Japanese man who has some sort of power or authority to do so. Again, if you want proof, I can provide it, including government officials who are blaming Japan's drastically dropping birthrate, strickly and solely on women, because they are not following the traditional "rules and roles"!

What exactly is a woman like Kumi Koda supposed to think when she can open a paper, watch a TV interview or simply hear on the street, as well as see! That a Japanese woman past the age of 25 is looked down on. A Japanese woman past the age of 30 is considered ANCIENT! And a Japanese woman, God forbid, past 35! NOT MARRIED! NO KIDS!?!? NO HUSBAND!?!? STILL WORKING!?!? These women get verbally and emotionally, mentally and even PHYSICALLY! Abused, because they have made choices or were not able to find someone to settle down with, while the society itself! Pushes, crams, flashes! YOUNG, YOUTH! VIBRANT! ATTRACTIVE! DESIRABLE!

You have grown salary-men, emptying their wallets for high school girls as young as 13! Just on AZ's site alone, when he was working as a JET, he had to literally ESCAPE! Many of his YOUNG high school girl students, because they would do everything from flash him, this is anywhere from 8th, 9th and I even believe 7th GRADE! What the hell kind of BREAST! Does a 7TH GRADE GIRL HAVE!?!? But these girls are made keenly aware that by 7th grade, they have power in their country with GROWN MEN!

Kumi Koda did what too many Japanese people of today are now constantly doing. They see what is going on, hear it everyday, and eventually, they forget that these things can be seen and heard, but they ARE NOT TO BE SPOKEN ABOUT! Did anyone ask Kumi Koda why she said those things about 35 year old women? Has anybody really examined, why would she say such a thing? Which would mean they would have to honestly question, and look for real answers, as to why this young woman, who will ultimately turn 35 or older, would take a sadistic swipe AT HER OWN GENDER! And that is crucial! When she said what she said, she unwittingly, is actually insulting HERSELF! And when you think about it, it shows that she has somehow believed that she will remain young, vibrant, attractive to Japanese men, and never age beyond 35.

This mentality, goes into the core of your question of what is Lolicon or not. Which is why I posted the information about Jamaica and Reggae. It is up to the society and its people, to set rules and regulations on what is acceptable and what is not. Plain and simple, grown men having sex with or enticing young women, is acceptable in Japan. Until or unless the Japanese people themselves decide to change this, then you will have another Kumi Koda who believes that she will remain the gleam of J-men's eye, and her legion of young fans who are YOUNG NOW, particularly her young female fans. Who have the temporary attention of Japanese men because they are young. They fail to realize that youth gives way to time, as all things do. All things grow old through time, and eventually die or fade. But in a youth obsessed culture, they miss the fact that youth gives way to experience. So they literally try to stave off looking and acting their age, as they are aging, which in a bizarre twist actually hampers their own ability to acquire experience... which leads to wisdom...

You can't learn anything if you spend all of your life trying to deny something as common sense as the fact that you will not remain young forever. This, in my opinion, is another reason why Japanese marriages have stopped growing and the birthrate and many many many things that are crucial to the relationship between men and women, are just gutted out. The women are too busy trying to be Rod Steward, Forever Young! That they never learn anything until they can't pour a ton of make-up on their faces and try to look 20 to 25 years old anymore. You can't take the superficial and then claim that it is substance! Reality will eventually cut you down on its own! No matter what country you live in. Until Japanese society accepts women, and not just young girls or young looking, acting, women. Then this situation will never end there and eventually the bottom will fall out for them the same way that some of our unaddressed problems here in the United States, is rotting the floorboards we're walking on too...

i belived loli con was for manga only Shocked

not with true people!

Kamikazegirl, this depends from the countries. Laws are different, significations are different.

Lolicon bases are graphic from imagination, like manganimes.

You know, both YaoiMastah and geesehoward are bringing home important points. We have two radically different views on the topic and this can be interesting for all. I for one found myself shaking my head up and down agreeing with each poster for different reasons. That is good. I am just hoping it doesn't turn nasty...it's nice to see a debate happen on a forum, rarely do two opposing viewpoints present well, thought-out replies.

Yaoi,

Who ever said that I didn't believe it doesn't happen here in America? I said from the door, you are Best Chemistry and her staffs problem. I am well aware that you are a pedophile. Even the additional vids above what you posted of the girl dancing, has the following;

Related Videos;
Britney Girl and Polish Sis and Bro Barbie

My profile stats that I am a bill collector and in being one, I am paid to pay attention to what people say and do in order to collect for my client, or repossess non-paid/late paid items. So I do all forms of bill collection which means going into people's homes and neighborhoods, where they aren't keen on getting their car repo'd or the rental material taken back.

When you click on Britney Girl, it turns out it is a Youtube. The youtube is again of a young girl gyrating around and lip-synching, Britney Spears, who is now reaping the Negative Karma that she started her career off on, by trying to appeal to American men who know that if they get caught screwing a high school girl, whether she wanted to do it or not. The males of her family, will more likely than not, attempt to kill him if they can get him. So as Prisoner said and I have already stated, cultural differences are a determining factor in this, but reality, is the ultimate x-factor. Japan's birth and marriage rate has plummeted so fast that it has caused an epidemic. Japanese politicians are lamenting that it is the women's fault, while the women are closing their legs, not getting married, and clearly no longer listening to what "society", ie, Japanese men, are saying to them.

You may google and look up anything that I have just typed and find volumes of it concerning Japan and why is its birthrate declining. Japan and Enjo Kosai, Japan and youth fetish. Life in Japan for a woman. Page through and look for things written by Japanese women, you don't need to take my word for it. It is reality and the results, that judge whether something needs to be changed or stopped. In Japan we have case after case where the enticing and sexing of high school girls, evokes no strong response from the actual fathers or male figures within the girls family, except for to shake their head and try to get this done away with, as quickly as possible. Right now Japan is trying to keep under wraps the fact that train-gropping, has reached an unheard of level. Now... never mind that they have clubs that a man can join and mock grouping a girl on the train, and no, I'm not kidding.

This piss-poor attempt at appeasing, and shoddy psychology, is exactly why they eventually started heavily monitoring the Hentai drawings and sites and imposing regulations on them, because it was easier to go for the superficial instead of honestly saying that the Siran Gas attack had to do more with the loneliness of Japanese existance, than some people who may or may not have seen some naked cartoon drawings. This is akin to modern day Black Americans knowing that many of our well-known hip-hop artist and entertainers, have stated that they are using the n-word and shaking their butts in camera's, because they know that White Americans will buy large amounts of their music, the more graphic, degrading, and stupid, that they make themselves sound and look. Although these people are condemned, real measures to stop their phony representations of Black people, are few and far between. So I have never been one to sugarcoat or throw stones without paying attention to the condition of my own house first. I have a meeting next week with some people because they are ashamed that a commoner like me has had to call them out on the carpet for their silence on this subject.

And that is the difference Yaoi. I am expected and have the ability, or at least the opportunity. To be able to pursue those who are supposed to be in positions of authority or leadership, and question them on their ineptitude in what they are supposed to be doing, and? I can openly call their moves, inept. How exactly does that work in Japan? It doesn't. Commoners are supposed to know their place. And only at specific points and times can they voice their opinion and that opinion will be closely held to be, an opinion, from a commoner. All of these things tie directly into our current conversation. When people can't speak freely and at least expect their voice to be considered and heard, they will eventually start seeking other ways to deal with their frustrations. You can sit down and sit back and watch anyone, anywhere on this planet. As long as they human, they'll eventually show when they've had enough about something, or it isn't getting done right or they are not being heard, or valued.

So since you know about Enjo Kosai, then you know that their is an equally perverse and very violent undercurrent of Enjo Kosai Baiting. I am sure you have read the articles of how many kogals and enjo kosai circles are ripe with high school girls intentionally joining an enjo kosai site and then luring the perv out so that he can be beaten within an inch of his life and robbed.

So it is tough to condone one over the other when the actual ADULTS OF JAPAN, ie, the men in power, because that is who runs Japan, men. These men have decided that they like things the way that they are and so, much like Japan's falling birthrate, people have to fend for themselves. No matter how much Japan wants to prize its uniqueness, they are still human and human beings ultimately find ways to express their displeasure with a sitituation. We are seeing more and more mutated behavior patterns where a teenaged girl thinks she can get either a laugh or a kick, out of setting up some old man who refuses to fight to change society where the cost of living is so high that HE MUST, work ungodly hours and sleep in capsule hotels and miss the last train home... While he may well be screwing the Office Lady at his job. Is expected to enjoy company perks of going to the local Red-Light District when or if, he is asked or ordered to do so. And he is expected to go drinking after work when it is all said and done, IF he is called upon by his superiors, to engage in such, where they actually do discuss a lot of business in a very comfortable setting and may or may not have chit-chat with hostesses. Meanwhile... in all of this... If the man has a daughter, when exactly does she see her father?

A few Japanese people I talked to suspect that the lolita fetish continues because the society itself does not have the capacity to break the cycle because Japanese men are rarely at home to set standards and show their daughters, what kind of behavior is acceptable, or unacceptable, and what kind of man they should be looking for. You... do know that Japan has ironically become an entire nation of functioning single-parent homes. The fathers are never home and the society is not making moves to make it so that fathers can spend more time with their families instead of commuting, drinking, and boy do Japanese people DRINK! Working long hours, and then perhaps having to stay for more drinks after work or office parties, or as I said before? Potentially getting treated to the red-light district prostitutes with the boss or supervisor!

I would keep foreign men out too if I spent more time with every other woman except the one that I married. So while you may feel sorry for Japanese men, I don't. They get many avenues to relieve and express themselves, while seemingly suffering like their women.

And speaking of which? I'm sorry but while he's doing that, what IS his wife doing? Possibly playing pachinko to the point of leaving their 6 month old in the car to die? Possibly sleeping with the unemployed neighbor? Possibly sleeping with her girlfriend or friends, because that is also rampant in Japan, which is one of the first countries in the world to actually invent the dildo because it was NOT a man's responsiblity to pleasure a woman, but it was her responsibility to bear his kids and at least give him the ability to cum and then pass out, job well done.

These are DIRECT REASONS, why Japan, Japanese men, usually older, don't actually want a large minority population of non-native born Japanese. Because these men, who may or may not be Western, may actually disrupt the delicate balance of power that Japanese men who can actually make it, have. I've had this discussion with native born Japanese people from IMDB sites about Asian actors and actresses, to forums dedicated to Japan, China, Korea and East Asia, based in East Asia. To foreign sites of people based in Japan. It is always the same. It is the lack of adaptation and unwillingness on the part of the established Japanese men, again, usually old, conservative, and coming from families of power. Even the Emperor's wife has been subjected to harsh, if not cruel media attention because of her desires to actually be more than a broodmare. Even when her husband has encouraged and supported her decisions. While rebuking and even becoming physically, VISUALLY, pissed off at how the public is meddling and trying to force him and his wife to follow a path that they have decided is no longer in the best interest of not only themselves, but maybe even Japan itself.

Japan has never been good at adaptation and change, socially. This is a fact, not an opinion. The infatuation with youth is a core part of the Japanese society, however. It is being shown to all members of the society that the people that it directly impacts, Japanese women. They want more than to be valued when they are barely out of elementary school, don't know shit about the world. Haven't even begun to live life yet, but they are being bombarded by Japanese men, Japanese society, that now, RIGHT NOW! Is YOUR TIME...

Sorry but human beings live past the age of 25. So Japanese women as a whole have rejected societies attempts to tell them that at 30 years old, you are no longer beautiful or desirable or attractive, hot and sexy. And here is the kicker. Japanese people have drowned themselves in American media and entertainment forms. In these shows, women are generally in 21 to 35, are desired, and can actually speak up. Sex in the City, is or was, UNGODLY POPULAR in Japan and what did it have in it? Middle aged White American women, talking about their sexuality, their sense of fashion and the bizarre shit that women have to go through, when they have really started understanding life and understanding themselves!

So while you call it a rant, one should not be surprised that you would say such a thing about the actual substance I put forward that shows how these women are tired of having their emotions ignored when they become old enough to make clear and concise choices. Meanwhile the youtube of Britney Girl that sat above your poor decision to post some sort of proof of how America is responsible for Japan's centuries old tradition of lolita-fetish. When you click on Britney Girl it has a laundry list of other lolita and sure to be cockteasing videos, of young girls parading around and posing for whomever has decided to follow these SPECIFIC UPLOADS, which you have clearly done. Here are some of the titles;

Hot Young Teens, Part 1
Teen 3
15 Year old Girl wants a baby from ANYONE!
Nude Laura Strip poker gone wrong!!!
We are the Real Spice Girls (and of course it is nothing but young girls imitating the Spice Girls)
+1, and that is the title of that vid, +1
Cheer Tryouts (and of course, another little girl dancing)
Mmmm... sex (do I really need to continue?)
Slutty Teen Girl (this one has over 164,000 hits but we don't know if they are other slutty teen boys... or pervy adult men)
Do I Look Like a Slut? (Which shows, oh shocker, two 14 year old girls)

Now was that a list of video entries on youtube or a list of child porn pedophile videos? It clearly read like a laundry list of pedo porn, instead of whatever the original intent, OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER, WAS! Some of those girls are gyrating around for their equally aged boyfriends! But I will say this much, here in the States it is becoming crystal clear that intent no longer matter! The pedo's simply use it as an excuse to be what they are, grown adult men, unable or uninterested, in dealing with GROWN ADULT WOMEN! And that is the key to this senseless and easily ended debate. Almost all pedophiles, have an inability to deal with women, people on equal terms with them, so they seek those where they have control, power, and can dictate terms and be safe in the knowledge that someone else is now powerless. This is also the constant state of Japanese society. Someone is ALWAYS, OVER SOMEONE ELSE, and more than happy to REMIND THAT PERSON OF THAT! It is this basic building block that fell out of place when Japan marched on its neighbors and then began mindlessly slaughtering even those who had welcomed and supported their arrival!

It is tough to relate to others, when you cannot actually relate to yourself. It is not possible to be honest with others, when you cannot be honest with yourself, as well as with others in your society, and that is the key! It is one thing to lie to yourself, it becomes another when it is known that everyone where you live, is telling half-truths and lies, because this is the way that it was and it's just the way that it is, so accept it. When I told this to my old Japanese teacher when I was a little boy he turned beet-red and proceeded to TRY, to punish me to the inth degree because I spoke the God's Honest truth to him after clearly watching his behavior and that of others and realizing that covering up one's true self, has an odd affect on the person and the society that these people live in, where after a while they won't even bother to tell the truth of a situation or how they feel, they will simply say what is needed to be said so that the other person is not forced to remove their mask as well.

Enough, let's stop this game while it is wayyyy behind, and in this instance that is a very bad choice of words, because while I enjoy looking at the ass of a grown woman, it is clear you prefer little girls. No matter how you slice it, when you ask yourself whether or not a 14 year old girl can actually compete in a relationship with a 20 year old young man, you know the answer is no. Most pedophiles are very quick to give young girls superhuman slutty power to entice them with their voluptous Jezebelle ways. The Japanese have a specific term which escapes me right now, but you ironically made an English based reference to the same thing in your post as the J-men who confess that they really do have a problem with constantly stalking and fucking under-aged Japanese girls. They speak of how powerless they are to resist her, when the young girl may very well be totally oblivious to the man who is watching her. When we stick to the analogy and we compare and keep the same 14 year old girl and replace the 20 year old young man with a 30 year old man, how is that making you feel? 14 year old girl with 30 year old man? I'm sure these two, a 14 year old girl and a 30 year old man, have a whole lot to talk about, now don't they? Well, don't they?

Of course not. The man in that instance is more teacher and master, if not also provider of money, clothes, etc, which young girls are constantly in pursuit of. In this instance he is not only not on the same level of the young girl, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and financially. But he is in a superior position where at any given time he can hold these things over her head while the only tool she actually has... ironically... is revealing their relationship...

Howard: I think expression of opinion is very fine, this topic and others, but directly insult some other member who is trying to participate in purpose of this forum is not fine, is not even acceptable, okay? Opinion is like bellybutton, everyone has, and everyone has different one.

Some thoughts to consider for all this broad topic:

(1) Many psychologist and sociologist consider girl's purpose of enjo kosai is attempt to match material expectations and desires created by watching model of western world; girls need money to purchase cool clothes and toys, have these things indicates they are special in their peer group rather than ordinary, search for esteem in external of course never successful but still we try...

(one source: http://www.radicalleft.net/blog/_archives/2006/4/6/1863401.html but there are many)

(2) Many Marriage & Family psychologists (even my cousin!) believe enjo kosai and other extramarital sexual activity with younger women and girls is partly caused by Japanese women completely lose interest in making sex after they are mothers! and men know this because women don't hide this lack of attitude! Even I very much fear this! although I don't know any physical cause for it and I think it is a stupid idea even if truth! cure is possible, yes?

(one source: http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/IES/japan.html )

(3) I agree very much about terrible loss for all children, boys especially, when father is not home to participate in family activity! I was so lucky! both parents teachers, both spending much time at home taking care of me and teaching me to be a person! Opposite creates women as described and violent silly men.

P.S. to all: For very interesting and emotional interview-based view of 1995 sarin gas attack by Aum members, please read Underground by Haruki Murakami who is perhaps Japan's greatest living novelist, but this book is not fiction! completely interviews with gas survivors and Aum members and etc. and completely shows how any of us can be on either side of such.

http://www.amazon.com/Underground-Tokyo-Attack-Japanese-Psyche/dp/0375725806/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product

kana

yes, just another princess...
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Fumiko

Greetings and Salutations,

After reading through this forum, my first thought is "Man's reach exceeds his intelligence, His grasp exceeds his reach"

Having an opinion is fine, but more times than not, that is a thinly veiled excuse for someone to pass off their views as acceptable, whether they truly are or not.

Fumi, am I to believe that enjo kosai is considered to be the Japanese girls' means to appease material expectations and desires ala citizens of the Western world? I have to apologize, but young girls getting felt up and/or worse to be able to buy an item that will make them feel important is Unacceptable. If my peer group found me unimportant, it's time for me to form my own group...everyone has a brain (hopefully functioning) and are somewhat able to make their own decisions. If not, then they are unproductive to the world unless there is a shortage of valets, fruit pickers or car washers.

Are we also to subscribe to the fact that extramarital affairs are partly caused by a woman's lack of desire for sexual contact after childbirth? Is this to say that the woman just does not want to have sex, or that she feels unattractive after having a baby?
Either way does this mean...
A. Have all women of legal age had children and now refuse to have sex?
B. Men just want to have their rice cake and eat it too?
C. These are just many excuses to mask the fact that wrong behavior is embraced in a squirrelly fashion.

I hate to cut and run, but time restraints dictate I must go...only to return later

Excelsior!

Stating an opinion is one thing, clearly showing that you not only have an agenda, but are upset by the fact that you cannot do or participate in what YOU FEEL should be perfectly legal, is another. Yaoi's behavior is not only suspicious, but typical for a pedophile. From what I can determine he is actually in Europe. The term Anne Frank that he used and the fact that it is said where he lives, is rather important because it is not a phrase used in America. He stated that he kept the link because he loves to argue about how the Japanese are wrongfully accused of being pedophiles or having a pedophile-encouraging culture. But if you actually click on any of the material around the initial link video that Yaoi posted, it is all nothing but young little girls and teens, talking about adult situations or dancing around and gyrating. This may not be suspicious to you, but it is to me.

You can choose to ignore his comments Fumi, I have not, and remember that my initial post stated that I had ignored this thread up until he then tried exactly what you are now doing. Everyone seems to want to hold America responsible for the things that go on that are actually within their own control to change, fix or simply refuse Amercian input on. I just checked and I never said a word to him before he posted and talked about how American MTV has brought sexed up teen images and dancing. Last I checked, Prisoner is Canadian. You live here in America but clearly seem to favor identiying with Japan, so then... What Americans called him out for him to post what he posted about MTV?

This should have been considered and seen as odd, unless someone prior to this thread being spliced or changed, came in and spoke to him in a manner that was derogatory or thuggish and then said person was AMERICAN! So if nobody did that, why did he post and compare about a comparison never made?

Do not blame someone else for your own actions or the lack thereof. Japanese culture is not confusing at all. I have found that Japanese Americans are particularly vexed by the constant attempts to make Japanese culture seem more mysterious. They are vexed by it because they live here in America and see that for a country so "confused", it sure seems to know when to say what and how it should be said when dealing with Japan. It is something that I have been critical of certain leaders here whenever I have spoken or met with officials here. I am not one to string people along and then leave them high-and-dry. If you are friends, then you act and carry yourself accordingly. If you are not, then you also should act accordingly.

Your first linked source states this;

Hello,

this is going a little bit off topic but we were in the off topic corner of our board at the begining. I didn't imagine that this discussion could take this proportion as the initial touch was to roll a red carpet for Yaoimastah, as he can share the Utawara erokawa rip he had on his computer with us. this show seems to have been categorized as "possibly lolicon material" by Youtube moderators. I still think this is a mistake for this show, only this specific show with Koda Kumi. when Youtube makes mistakes I really want evidences of these mistakes.

I'll really like to go a little bit ahead in my point of view but as it seems that I've been attacked in another website, I'll delay my participation on this discussion. also I'm not against Yaoimastah comes here and discuss in other topics too. lolicon and p3dophily (notice the typo) areas overlap sometime but I still hang on my opinion that primary producers are in 95% not malicious. it's the use of this material who could eventually become malicious and enter in the p3do category. guns are harmless as a whole, but gun in a criminal hand can kill.

I displace this discussion into the general discussion area.

Okay, I did not understand this term "lolicon" until this morning when I researched on web. Now I have seen scholarly explanations and really stupid sexy cartoons of little girls, this is very gross and disgusting to me but, so sorry, this is very common attitude many places, not only Japan. I do not understand this attraction, okay? because I think man will not really like to make sex with some girl who does not understand this activity! Baka!
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In band 3 I see the little dancers have big fun to dance and for this tv they have work serious to perform the dance. same if they are like the musume girls but they are more small eek