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| is this movie a good movie | | Yes, no discussion | | 6% | [ 1 ] | | Yes, but.... (argue why) | | 31% | [ 5 ] | | Can't say if good or not | | 31% | [ 5 ] | | No, but... (argue why) | | 18% | [ 3 ] | | No, this movie is crap | | 12% | [ 2 ] |
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 |  Subject: And Good Morning to You  Tue 4 Jul - 9:10 | |
| xkoreanenergy,
Yes Kill Bill did have a lot of free-flowing blood to the point of absurdity. I didn't quite get the point of it because the Shaw Brothers movies didn't have over the top gallons of blood like that so I don't really know what the point of it was... and thanks for taking the time to tell me what you wrote earlier, thank you.
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Tue 4 Jul - 16:40 | |
| i prefer Shaw Brothers movies.... i don't like when they use blood for nothing... 
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| | Subject: AGREED Wed 5 Jul - 6:44 | |
| | sushimi wrote: | | i prefer Shaw Brothers movies.... i don't like when they use blood for nothing... |
I agree 100% Sushimi. The Shaw Brothers gave you a good time, I personally saw what Tarantino was trying to do, but he didn't really give you a good time unless you decided to really ignore some of the "Huh, what, why" that he threw in there.
Take for instance the scene when the movie opens. I think he would've done himself a huge favor if he used Master of the Flying Guillotines theme music as soon as Beatrix drives onto the screen looking out at Vernita's house. Instead he uses that one of a kind classic for when O-Ren decides to show us her backside and leave House of Blue Leaves and go out into the Zen Garden, BLAH! I thought that was a total turn-off for what and where that music comes from.
The Master of the Flying Gullotine was merciless, ruthless and unapologetic! He wanted that one armed boxer and nobody was gonna STOP HIM!!!! The fight between him and the one arm boxer actually took longer then ALL OF THE FIGHTS of all the major characters in Volume One with time to spare, EXCEPT the giant battle with the not so Crazy-88. A Shaw Brothers movie would NEVER have that very, very, very timid fight between O-Ren and Beatrix... and I have a question?
Was O-Ren just a punk-bitch or what?
I've seen on chats and on threads people just rip the fact that O-Ren just stood there time after time and watched her boys get run through and did absolutely nothing and by the time she did she was a very BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
She seemed, I don't know, kind of weak to me.
All it took was for her to see Beatrix get up and it looked like that broke her and especially after she got cut across her leg she was just done, like she just quit or gave up. She just seemed like she was a lot of show and talk and without all those useless and I STRESS useless lackeys and Gogo, she was just a little punk.
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:18 | |
| | geesehoward4life wrote: | | sushimi wrote: | | i prefer Shaw Brothers movies.... i don't like when they use blood for nothing... |
I agree 100% Sushimi. The Shaw Brothers gave you a good time, I personally saw what Tarantino was trying to do, but he didn't really give you a good time unless you decided to really ignore some of the "Huh, what, why" that he threw in there.
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it's not the same thing when Tarantino, or someone else, want to do something like asian movies, even when asian producters do the same think with american actors... it's not the same at all... even when John Woo made Broken Arrow, Volteface , i didn't have the same interest by the way the movie was filmed...
i'm a big fan of movies with martial arts, and when it's not with asian actors, i don't have the same emotions...
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:34 | |
| | I definitely see what you're saying there. I just thought that it would be a little bit more like what he was paying homage to, but it wasn't. |
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:40 | |
| | geesehoward4life wrote: | | I definitely see what you're saying there. I just thought that it would be a little bit more like what he was paying homage to, but it wasn't. |
yes.... and i hope that asian producers like John Woo, Ang Lee, Tsui Hark don't lost their soul in America.... i didn't like The Last Samourai with Tom Cruise... for me, he was so faulse... about his emotions...
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:46 | |
| Last Samurai was okay for me up until he started with the White man knows everyone better then those people know themselves thing.
The end of that movie where Tom Cruise lives and Ken Watanabe dies. Pissed me off, but I said... okay, it's an American movie, fine, but then when Cruise says "I can't tell you how he died, but I can tell you how he lived" that was the last straw
I thought that was tasteless and BS! The guy was in Japan a hot minute, he gets the wife and family of the samurai he killed, plus his armor, then he starts talking like he was born there and then at the end he goes back to the wife of the... nah, I can only suspend reality for a movie, but so far and they finally went past my limits.
It just rubbed me the wrong way. I think Cruise character should have died with him and that would have been more realistic and better for the movie. |
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:54 | |
| | geesehoward4life wrote: | Last Samurai was okay for me up until he started with the White man knows everyone better then those people know themselves thing.
The end of that movie where Tom Cruise lives and Ken Watanabe dies. Pissed me off, but I said... okay, it's an American movie, fine, but then when Cruise says "I can't tell you how he died, but I can tell you how he lived" that was the last straw
I thought that was tasteless and BS! The guy was in Japan a hot minute, he gets the wife and family of the samurai he killed, plus his armor, then he starts talking like he was born there and then at the end he goes back to the wife of the... nah, I can only suspend reality for a movie, but so far and they finally went past my limits.
It just rubbed me the wrong way. I think Cruise character should have died with him and that would have been more realistic and better for the movie. |
yes, it's not realistic at all... and why the wife felt in love with Tom Cruise? she just waited one year to fall in love with the man who killed her husband.... it's like all the people of this movie are stupid... he won everything in one minute... ridiculous... 
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 16:58 | |
| | Quote: | | yes, it's not realistic at all... and why the wife felt in love with Tom Cruise? she just waited one year to fall in love with the man who killed her husband.... it's like all the people of this movie are stupid... he won everything in one minute... ridiculous... |
EXACTLY it was like watching a microwave dinner being made. The movie really seemed promising, but first off they shouldn't have gotten so deep with the wife and family of the samurai he killed. It was just wrong to me.
It was the same thing for Kill Bill when Vernita's daughter comes in, I don't want to see that, I want to see these two battle it out to the death! Don't bring KIDS into the picture, that rubbed me the wrong way and it killed a pretty good brawl!
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Wed 5 Jul - 17:06 | |
| | geesehoward4life wrote: |
It was the same thing for Kill Bill when Vernita's daughter comes in, I don't want to see that, I want to see these two battle it out to the death! Don't bring KIDS into the picture, that rubbed me the wrong way and it killed a pretty good brawl!
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i watched kill bill 1 and 2 but i can't remember of those scenes... i'm sorry.... my only memory is for their actress...
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Thu 6 Jul - 8:18 | |
| i think in the episode 2 there are no asian actress 
this pix above is magic, i meen there are all vilain ladies but it is fun  |
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| | Subject: Weird Movie Fact Thu 6 Jul - 17:18 | |
| | xkoreanenergy wrote: | i think in the episode 2 there are no asian actress
this pix above is magic, i meen there are all vilain ladies but it is fun |
Weird Movie Fact;
None of the Female Vipers of Color, as far as People of Color, survive the first volume.
Back with more later.
And I would still like to know what people think of O-Ren. I still felt as though she was pretty weak when push came to shove. |
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Thu 6 Jul - 20:58 | |
| | geesehoward4life wrote: | | And I would still like to know what people think of O-Ren. I still felt as though she was pretty weak when push came to shove. |
O-ren is a very complex character in my view. she has been stolled of her own innocence both too earlier and in dramatic conditions. she's still an adolescent for me, a graduated adolescent but she's still navigating between adult and unsatisfied childhood desires.
have you notice the very light walking she done on the table just before chopping the head off the insulting subordinate yakuza Tanaka ?
she walked just as like a young ballerina, smooth motion of light foot steps. Also O-ren have difficulties to control her bad temper, and she knows her own limits unlikelly the way adolescent acts generally. she was highly hypocrit when she asked to let Tanaka complaint, but she was able to control the boiling pressure in her body. the clash cames with the racist insult. O-ren lost her control here, she had an immature act.
I think that's why she urged to be surrounded by various bodygards, but the closest (intimate) were females. O-ren is safe in this female environment and she can rule her world with a raisonable safety level.
Gogo and Sofi had a so sadistik/ironical smile at this scene, I've seen that something like "men are instruments for us".
more latter.
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Thu 6 Jul - 21:53 | |
| | You are one of the few people that I have met that understand that O-Ren has not really matured to the level that she would need to be in order to do what she needed to do to really be successful. It is her choice to surround herself with so much bravado that ultimately leads to her undoing and it is a strong point within the book that the movie grazes here and there, but I was still very surprised at how weak her spirit was when she fought Beatrix. She was by far the weakest of them. |
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Fri 7 Jul - 8:02 | |
| *confused* it is becoming technic !
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Fri 7 Jul - 12:09 | |
| I was tempted to vote "No, This Movie Is Crap", but that would be unfair to the actors and people behind the scenes who put forth their efforts. That being said, this movie is pathetic on so many levels. Being an homage to many film genres, to me, was just an excuse for Tarantino to make his ideal movie, something that he always dreamed of doing. The lack of actual logic, threat of consequences, and intelligent background development hamper this movie greatly.
The action scenes, which is what i'm guessing the movie was driven by, were passable to poor to downright awful. The House of Blue Leaves fight was so bad, I had to look at it more than once to make sure I wasn't seeing things. There were many other reasons I did not enjoy this movie but I will touch upon those at a later date 
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| | Subject: Re: is Kill Bill (vol. 1) a good movie ? Fri 7 Jul - 14:58 | |
| | xkoreanenergy wrote: | *confused* it is becoming technic !
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Good Morning xkoreanenergy,
I think that Bright Chemist is right on the money when she talks about the way that O-Ren did things and the people she chose to surround herself with, but it is the death of her parents that is at the core of all of this and the fact that she is half-Chinese and half-Japanese, American.
The reality is this. Being a woman in Japan is no easy task. You're basically expected to cater to men in one way or another and then the level of respect as far as what a woman brings to the table emotionally, intellectually, etc is only recently being respected. And when I say recent I mean as far as when Japans economy crashed in the late eighties, early nineties (1988-1992 or 1993)
Women had to get out there and really help, they had to be accepted into the workforce because the economy hit rock bottom in a hurry!
So these things become a factor in making a Kill Bill and it is why I said; I like my popcorn entertainment to be just that! Pedophilia is NOT COOL and it's NOT something to JOKE ABOUT!
If I were to put up the youtube link to Chiaki's TV-Drama Oyayubihime where she is a HIGH SCHOOLER, but her panties are mentioned on several occassions including the object of her desires that she shrinks in order to hold him captive... she takes him outside for a little R&R, mind you he's being held against his will already
She puts him in a Remote Control Race Car and drives him around. She does her little psycho-schoolgirl routine by threatening to crash him into a bench I believe, well eventually she turns the car and that's when he remembers that he can turn the car with the steering wheel, this guy wheels the car around and then drives between her legs and then looks up and says he just saw HEAVEN!
For me, as a grown man... I'm NOT AMUSED! But youth is a HUGE thing in Japanese society and women who get past the age of... are you ready for this; 25 years old are considered OLD! The age of adulthood in Japan is 20! So a woman is expected to be married by 25 in Japan and then once she is married she is expected to leave her job and have kids, keep the house and tend to the kids and that's about it for her life.
So here you have O-Ren, who is only a HAFU (Half-breed) and don't let me get started on Japan and race... after reading and learning what I've learned... I'd rather face the KKK, Nazi's and live in Alabama and NO I AM NOT JOKING. I'd rather have someone tell me to my face that they hate my guts instead of being polite to the point of puking and then when I go to date their daughter they explode in a tirade that puts the above mentioned groups and places to shame! Let's also NOT forget that Japan was never punished like Germany for its War Crimes, but that's another story.
With all this said, Tarantino then changes his script from having O-Ren being Japanese and she was a rude, arrogant and IGNORANT BITCH where I can easily post the draft copy that I have. NOT ONE PERSON would have cared if Tarantino left O-Ren the way he wrote in the script! But when he gets the idea to cast Liu, he keeps somethings from the draft and then totally RE-WRITES HER as a Hafu to give Liu the part.
Without her parents, in a Japanese society and more likely then not her mother was Japanese and the father was a Chinese American... hmmm lets IMAGINE THEM TELLING THEIR RESPECTIVE FAMILIES ABOUT THIS!
O-Ren's mother; I am in love and I found the perfect man and he loves me very much.
O-Ren's mother's Family; GREAT! What is he like!?!? (Lots of questions,etc)
O-Ren's mother; He is waiting in the car. (goes gets him and brings him in) This is the man that I want to marry.
O-Ren's father; Hello (if he was smart he IS NOT wearing his uniform with a BIG ASS AMERICAN STAR ON THE SHOULDER)
O-Ren's mother's Father; WTF HE'S NOT JAPANESE! He's CHINESE!
O-Ren's mother's mother; But why? Couldn't you find a nice Japanese man.
O-Ren's mother; But I love him.
O-Ren's mother's father; WTF HE'S CHINESE! AND HE HAS AN AMERICAN ACCENT! You couldn't even find a real CHINA-MEN! WTF KIND OF WHORE HAVE YOU RAISED! (He immediately points at his WIFE because she is the one at home)
The above example is NOT an exaggeration. It is what will happen at least 80% of the time and I'm being generous ONLY because their are some Japanese people who have actually seen NON-JAPANESE PEOPLE and not just on MTV Japan, which is the worst, or whatever Imported show is hot at that time. Japan is so homogenous to the point that they have been seriously debating whether to allow foreign immigration to try to "jump-start" their gene pool.
Notice, no mention of these things in International News. You either look it up or continue to believe that Japan is a land of blissful technology, Anime, robots, katana's, kimono's and cute trinkets and tokens!
With all that said, I like my popcorn SIMPLEEEEEEEEE! KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!!
Is that TOO MUCH TO ASK?!?!?
When O-Ren is made half of everything under the Rising Sun and then her parents are killed in front of her, she grows up in a society that does not like interracial dating, marriage and children, for the most part... YOU ARE ASKING FOR THINGS TO BECOME COMPLICATED!
O-Ren then becomes an UNDERAGE Child Prostitute to chase down Matsumoto, but to make this movie easier to swallow because the childproof cap didn't work, Tarantino CAN'T SHOW YOU what O-Ren would have to do to get that far! Nor does he show you WHO WOULD TRAIN O-REN TO KILL!
I had one clown tell me that she was wandering the streets honing her kill skills. I made fun of him until he logged off.
I did that because this movie goes WHERE IT SHOULDN'T and then tries to say; It's not that serious.... uhhh... yes it is and... you made it that serious.
So these are the parts that make up the character of O-Ren and it is actually complex and we are shown not nearly a QUARTER of what we would need to see to fully enjoy this character or the actress who portrays her.
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